S2 E22:👉🏽You can choose to deeply love and accept yourself: Tapping for money healing w/ Sydney Harbosky
EPISODE SUMMARY
Do you feel numb or panicked when you even think about checking your bank account? If your body takes over when money topics come up, you're not alone - this might be financial trauma. In this episode, financial therapist Rachel Duncan sits down with Sydney Harbosky, a certified EFT practitioner, to explore how Emotional Freedom Technique (also called "tapping") can help heal your relationship with money — BODY FIRST. Sydney guides us through what tapping is, how it works with your nervous system, and even leads us through a mini tapping session you can follow along with at home.
💬 "I was going to therapy. I'd have a coach. I was reading all the things and still something was stopping me from doing what I needed to do, and I was like, this has to be the body at this point." - Sydney Harbosky
Key takeaways from the episode:
Your emotions are stored in your body as neuropeptides—they're not just in your head
EFT/tapping helps calm your nervous system and signals safety to your brain
Money anxiety is often a nervous system response, not a character flaw
Tapping intentionally brings up safe levels of discomfort to interrupt your usual patterns
You don't need to understand why you feel blocked—your body knows, and that's enough
With Tapping - you can't mess it up!
Guest info: Sydney Harbosky is a certified EFT practitioner who helps people transform their relationship with money and creativity through tapping. She offers monthly sessions in the Money Healing Club and provides one-on-one support at sydneyharbosky.com.
⏰ EPISODE BREAKDOWN
What is EFT and How Does It Work? [00:02:00 - 00:07:00] Sydney explains how emotions are stored in the body and how tapping specific acupressure points while saying targeted phrases can change your emotional chemistry in real time.
Sydney's Journey to Tapping [00:07:00 - 00:12:00] Sydney shares how anger led her to discover grief, and how traditional talk therapy wasn't enough—she needed something that addressed what her body was holding.
Tapping for Money Healing [00:12:00 - 00:15:00] Discussion of how money triggers survival brain responses and why tapping is particularly effective for financial trauma and avoidance patterns.
Live Tapping Demonstration [00:15:00 - 00:23:00] Sydney guides Rachel (and listeners) through a mini tapping session focused on anxiety around checking bank accounts, including all the tapping points and healing phrases.
The Interview Process and Group Sessions [00:23:00 - 00:26:00] Sydney explains how she prepares for tapping sessions, using participants' exact words to activate their nervous system before introducing positive reframes.
Beyond Money: Other Uses for Tapping [00:26:00 - 00:29:00] Sydney shares how she uses tapping with creative blocks, working with artists and musicians when they know what they should be doing but something is stopping them.
🫴 Basic Tapping Points (in order):
Side of hand (the "karate chop" point) - Start here for setup statements
Top of head
Inside of eyebrows
Side of eyes (where your eyelids meet)
Under eyes (on cheekbones)
Under nose (tapping finger like a little mustache)
Under chin (tapping finger like a little mustache)
Collarbone (back to two hands)
Under one armpit (raise arm and use other hand to tap - about 4 inches down from pit)
Wrists together (cross your hands)
Pressure: Like tapping someone at a concert to get their attention—firm but not painful
Frequency: Tap, tap, tap, tap about twice per second (you can go faster or slower, whatever feels right)
💝 Sample Tapping Sequence for Money Anxiety:
Setup (side of hand): "Even though I feel anxious about looking at my account, I choose to deeply and completely love, accept, and forgive myself."
Tapping Points:
Top of head: "I have this tight feeling in my chest"
Eyebrows: "I don't want to look"
Side of eyes: "What if it's worse than I think?"
Under eyes: "I feel frozen just thinking about it"
Under nose: "I have so much shame around money"
Under chin: "I judge myself for avoiding it"
Collarbone: "I judge myself for avoiding it"
Under arm: "I judge myself for avoiding it"
Top of head: "Even though I judge myself for avoiding it, I choose to deeply and completely love, accept and forgive myself"
Positive Round:
Eyebrows: "I want to feel safe with money"
Side of eyes: "I'm open to more calm around money"
Under eyes: "And so it is"
📚 Resources Mentioned
Sydney Harbosky's website: sydneyharbosky.com
Instagram: @sydneyharbosky
Brad Yates (EFT practitioner mentioned) "I take full responsibility for my wellbeing."
Gala Darling (where Sydney discovered tapping and got certification)
C.S. Lewis quote: "I sat with anger long enough until she told me her real name was Grief"
The quote "grief is a physical process, not an emotional one" is often attributed to Christina Chipriano. She is a grief counselor and author who emphasizes the physical aspects of grief, according to the website Speaking Grief.
💬 Join the Conversation
What money situations make your body go into panic mode? Leave us a voice mail and we can get Sydney pack here to design your tapping script! Leave us a voicemail at moneyhealingclub.com/podcast
🎧 Your next listen:
S2 E15: 😶🌫️ Tax anxiety and what to do about it
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Sydney Harbosky: I was going to therapy. I'd have a coach. I was reading all the things and still something was stopping me from doing what I needed to do, and I was like, this has to be the body at this point.
Welcome to the Money Healing Club podcast. I'm your host Rachel Duncan. I'm a financial therapist and art therapist and I founded the Money Healing Club. You've come to the softest place to land in personal finance where we talk about all the things we don't usually say when we talk about money.
This podcast is for education and entertainment purposes only. It does not substitute mental health, legal, or financial advice. For help with your particular situation please seek help from a licensed professional.
If you've been listening to me or following me for any length of time, you know that one of the biggest blocks we have when it comes to personal finance is a physical fear reaction
when it comes to money. It's where your [00:01:00] brain kind of goes offline and your body takes over. For example, while you might know that you need to check your bank account more often to avoid overdraft fees. Have you ever felt numb or anxious to the point where your body just takes over and you want to either run for the hills or you completely numb out?
If that happens, you're not alone. This might be the symptom of financial trauma. In today's episode, we have a special guest, Sydney Harbosky, who will teach us the emotional freedom technique. This is also called EFT and Tapping. We use those terms interchangeably in this episode. EFT can be used for lots of things, but Sydney has been offering tapping in the Money Healing Club for few months for money healing, and the results have been amazing for me and members.
Sydney is a certified EFT practitioner who's passionate about helping people transform their relationship with money and their creative practices Through tapping, she guides money healing club members through blocks like avoidance, scarcity, mindset, [00:02:00] and perfectionism to lead to a more calm, capable, and creatively free worldview. Outside of the Money Healing Club. Sydney offers one-on-one EFT support and Digital business management services, empowering creative people and entrepreneurs to bring inspired ideas to life with structure and ease. You can find her offerings at
sydneyharbosky.com. Sydney's going to teach us today what tapping is and even guide us through a little sequence. So this is a good one to have a hand free or two hands free so you can tap along with us. Enjoy my talk with Sydney Harbosky.
Rachel: Okay, Sydney. For listeners who are new to tapping or emotional freedom technique, we'll call EFT or tapping Throughout this uh, episode, could you explain to us what it is and just like how it works.
Sydney Harbosky: It's actually funny you say that 'cause I've been doing so much more research about it and what we've learned is, emotions are actually stored in the body [00:03:00] as neuropeptides, so it is a nervous system protein.
Sydney Harbosky: We know that your emotions just aren't in your head and they're in your body. And when you feel a certain way, um, your body then goes, oh, I recognize that as like a fear. Like that's the way I need to feel. So what EFT does is it's a mind body practice and it releases stress and limiting beliefs and emotional blocks by stimulating specific.
Sydney Harbosky: Acupressure points, um, mostly on the face and the upper body. Um, it helps calm your nervous system and sends a signal to your brain that this is safe, and it literally is changing your emotional chemistry in real time.
Rachel: I have a question 'cause I've got to experience a couple of Sydney's tapping sessions and the added element, like not only is it physical, but you're also saying words and I'm wondering
Sydney Harbosky: Mm-hmm.
Rachel: the language part you're tying in. 'cause you're [00:04:00] repeating these phrases sometimes very like evocative, interesting, sometimes funny phrases.
Rachel: While you're doing these like things with your body, and I'm curious about the, the, like, what's the connection with the language part of it or the verbal part of it?
Sydney Harbosky: The verbal part is just kind of bringing up those emotions in real time, whether it be, you know, we understand that. It can be fun and light, but also serious at the same time, and it's just about invoking your fight or flight or your nervous system response and that moment, and you're kind of just having a conversation with your nervous system and getting it to fire up.
Sydney Harbosky: I don't feel safe. This isn't comfortable. And you're saying that out loud, being like, Hey, listen, I want you here so that we can work on it together.
Rachel: Yeah, and I've experienced that too. It's like, it actually like, brings up a safe level of discomfort, but it's, it's not about, oh, de-stress, breathe and calm down. It's actually okay, we're gonna bring up the topic that is, you know, bothering you or, [00:05:00] or worrying you or whatever. We're actually gonna safely. Get into it a little bit while doing these tapping movements. And it's such a, it's such a different type of experience of, I, I just feel like we do so much in our life to avoid discomfort. this technique actually is like, we're gonna introduce a safe amount, you know, it's a low amount, but that we're gonna go into it a little bit very safely.
Sydney Harbosky: Yeah, it's, when you say that, and we've talked about this even after in the club when we've done sessions, part of that, I usually go my mental like compass. If I feel uncomfortable and I feel like I want to have some type of emotional release behind what I'm saying, I'm like, I need to say that like, and.
Sydney Harbosky: If you're watching me, like I'm watching the people in the club while we're going through it, if they have their cameras on, you'll see that. There's moments where I feel like I wanna cry, and I'm like, I have to say this because it's clearly something that's bothering me, upsetting me, like it needs to be said, like it's [00:06:00] coming up and you're recognizing it in that moment, which is really important and it can go anywhere.
Sydney Harbosky: That's why sometimes funny things come up.
Rachel: I think as, as a healing practitioner myself. Yeah. My instinct in the moment, my emotional experience with a client is, my greatest clinical tool. Right? I'm saying
Sydney Harbosky: Yeah. Yeah.
Rachel: something that's bringing up tears for me right now.
Rachel: Right? And then it's like, it's this incredible joining
Sydney Harbosky: Yeah.
Rachel: where, where. know, you're not only a leader, but you are experiencing it with everyone, and that attunement then is also telling you where to go, I think.
Sydney Harbosky: And that's part of too, and it, it came up in my certification for, it was like, it's called borrowing benefits, like when you're all tapping together and all of those things coming up, like you are sharing that with other people like. What's healing for you is healing for somebody else, it may be different, but it's the same and you're, you're in this [00:07:00] experience together and like it is just one big shared experience with all kinds of things.
Rachel: capacity. Like I may feel overwhelmed with say, an experience of insecurity, you are not overwhelmed by my experience of insecurity. Like you can take it. Not take it from me, but like
Sydney Harbosky: Yeah.
Rachel: with me. You can process it with me. Like I think often we feel that, oh, I don't wanna be a burden, or My feelings are so much because it feels to you like it's too much.
Rachel: But very rarely are someone
Sydney Harbosky: Yeah,
Rachel: too much for you to, to be with. it's incredible.
Sydney Harbosky: yeah.
Rachel: So
Sydney Harbosky: Yeah.
Rachel: us a story. How did you come to tapping? How'd you get so good at it too, by the way, but.
Sydney Harbosky: Thank you. Um, it's actually funny, , I had that, that question that I was like, how, how did I discover it? And, you know, what drew me to it? For me? I actually saw this quote like a few. Days ago, and I was like, it's new to me. I think it's, it's been around probably for a long time. But it said, I sat with anger long enough [00:08:00] until she told me her real name was Grief and it's CS Lewis.
Sydney Harbosky: And for me, that's what got me into tapping was it was just, I had a lot of anger and then I was like, oh, why am I angry? And then I was like, oh, well if anger is grief, what is grief? And that was like, grief is more than just. Loss of life, loved ones. It's the life you had, the financial life you didn't have, the partnership you didn't have.
Sydney Harbosky: And I was like, I'm just so angry. And I feel like talking about it, doing all those things that should work. You know, like we're so like, here's my problem, what's my solution? It just wasn't working for me. And then I ended up like finding, tapping through Gala Darling, like. Years ago, I'd say like probably five years ago.
Sydney Harbosky: And then I was hemming and hawing over her certification and then she brought it back out and I was like, okay, let's do [00:09:00] it. And I was like, it's meant to be like, I'll figure it out. Um, but yeah, it was just a lot of navigating emotions that I didn't understand and it was like, what do I do with that?
Rachel: quote.
Sydney Harbosky: Be.
Rachel: It, I think you're right, like grief is so much bigger. Like just think about loss. Yeah. The, the. The life you thought you'd had or the loss of that concept of self. Like sometimes the loss is hard to name. And I've also heard it said, I don't, I'll try to find who said it, but like grief is a physical process and not an emotional one. I've heard that said too, we physically experience loss. Even if in your head, oh, I know that that thing doesn't happen anymore, that doesn't upset me. But you're, you, you just, like you said at the at the top, like, we hold memories, we hold emotions in our body. Or like Gabor Monte, the body keeps the score and that is why like verbalizing alone only goes so far where the rest of the body needs to catch up.
Sydney Harbosky: I. I like to think of myself as pretty [00:10:00] emotionally intelligent and aware of the things that
Rachel: Yeah.
Sydney Harbosky: need to be done, but I, I was going to therapy. I'd have a coach. I was reading all the things and still something was stopping me from doing what I needed to do, and I was like, this has to be the body at this point.
Sydney Harbosky: And like, I mean, you can go down a whole rabbit hole of that where, you know, every emotion has a correlated organ and then organs correlate with, you know, physical ailments. And then it's just like, oh, you know, like for me it's like anger. Okay, we know that anger is associated with your liver. Well, what do, what comes up when your liver's not functioning properly?
Sydney Harbosky: You break out. It's just like a stacking thing and it's just, it's really fascinating to know that your body's trying to tell you things. And it's trying to tell you things in a way that it knows that you're listening. Like, it's like, oh, you know, some people are really in tune. Like, for me, I'm like, I really like having clear skin.
Sydney Harbosky: Well, something's going on and you're not listening to me, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna [00:11:00] stick it out for you in a way you don't like. And I'm like, okay, I hear you. What's the problem?
Rachel: shadow thing I'm gonna bring up. So you pay attention
Sydney Harbosky: I'm like, okay, thank you. I hear you now.
Rachel: It's, uh, it always lets you know.
Sydney Harbosky: Yeah.
Rachel: I think, I think we're doing something really interesting in the club also, like taking this, taking tapping, which is a practice that is also evidence-based and used in lots of domains and we are bringing it into the topic of money. and you so
Sydney Harbosky: Mm-hmm.
Rachel: like, know. it a shot. Like what if we just focus on the topic of money and we know that money touches everything. Um, so now that you've been doing it a little while, like, you know, a lot of people come to the club with very strong, almost traumatic reactions around money, right? We're talking like panic, freeze, extreme avoidance, um, you know, dread, like these things that are really physically emotional. So how does tapping, fitting with with addressing money healing, to you Sydney?
Sydney Harbosky: [00:12:00] Well, first thing that comes up for me is that as I've worked through this, like I feel like we're conditioned in thinking around money. And I think, you know, part of how we initially met was I took your money healing. Is that an intensive, and one of my favorite things was that you took the math out of it.
Sydney Harbosky: Like it, it is math. At the end of the day, it's money. Like there's math in that, but you really brought an emotional level to it that I just did not associate with for a very long time. And the way people feel around money. Like I think it's been conditioned that it's like a character flaw and it's really just a nervous system response.
Sydney Harbosky: Like it's not, you're not bad, you're not evil, you're none of those things. It's just you've been conditioned to feel that way by, you know, the first time you opened your account and it was a negative balance. So now every time you think about opening your account, you associate those feelings of. Shame, whatever is [00:13:00] coming up for you in that.
Sydney Harbosky: And I think it just, it activates our survival brain. Like it's just, it's what it is. Like we're all, at the end of the day just trying to escape tigers. It's just a different tiger.
Rachel: Right, right. And I've actually talked in, uh, a recent podcast episode even about taxes and how tax anxiety can be seen as a trauma response. And not that there isn't something there to work on, but we need to rightsize the threat. You know, because we are triggered
Sydney Harbosky: Yeah.
Rachel: this is like, I'm helpless, or this is the worst thing in the whole world. And it's like, it's something to do. It's something important, but is it actually threatening your life and to kind of rightsize these threats? 'cause when we get real dysregulated or we're just used to going to panic, then it's gonna. Then it happens easier and easier each time unless we kind of interrupt it.
Rachel: And I, I have found that in
Sydney Harbosky: Yeah.
Rachel: with the tapping, it's like, wow, we're gonna bring up a little bit of the discomfort and we're gonna interrupt your usual response. [00:14:00] Is that, is that kind of, that's my experience as a, uh, participant. Is that kind of what's going on in your mind? A little bit. Like, we're gonna bring it up, we're gonna interrupt it, and we're gonna introduce all these other ways to work with this discomfort.
Sydney Harbosky: Yeah, I mean, part of it, it's kind of like, it's like building the story, like, and then you're hitting the peak and then you come down from there of we're gonna try and build it up as much as we can because, you know, the way to break through is to get as uncomfortable as possible. And then we're gonna start having, you know, positive thoughts around that.
Sydney Harbosky: And you know, like I said in the beginning, we're gonna change your chemistry, your emotional chemistry, and. We're gonna bring in positive things. We're gonna make yourself what was a threat is now a place of safety.
Rachel: Would you be able to lead us through just like a taste of sort of what it's like? I know it's a little bit tricky because we're doing this prerecorded and we can't do a full session, but like, could you give just a taste of what a tapping session is like?
Sydney Harbosky: Yeah, I think I had one. I even wrote [00:15:00] down like a little mini one. So the main thing is that you kind of, you wanna start on the side of your hand, which, um. You would start here. It's kind of like clearing up the issue when you're working here. Um, and you do really don't have to overthink it.
Sydney Harbosky: The nice thing about EFT is it meets you where you're at. You can't mess it up, and that's the nice thing. Um, so you would start on the side of the hand. What I put down was, even though I feel anxious about looking at my account, I deeply and completely love, accept and forgive myself.
Rachel: describe what I see Sydney doing. So while she's
Rachel: which we want you to repeat, and maybe we can repeat it again, she's got one hand, it doesn't matter which hand in like a soft fist, just fairly relaxed up kind of at her chest. And then
Sydney Harbosky: Mm-hmm.
Rachel: hand she's taking. The fingertips of three.
Rachel: Three fingers and tapping on like that pinky edge of your palm. I'm just trying to describe this in audio.
Sydney Harbosky: Yeah, it's kind of like the meaty part of the [00:16:00] outside of your hand, like right, that goes right down from your pinky where it's, you've got that
Rachel: meaty.
Sydney Harbosky: excess little meat and you can just tap it. Um, the best way to describe on how hard you should be tapping is, um, you don't wanna do too hard. But the best way I've heard it described is you're at a concert and you're trying to tell the person in front of you, you can't see, and it's loud.
Sydney Harbosky: So you're gonna do like, hey, like not, you're not hurting yourself, but it's not like a light, gentle, lymphatic massage.
Rachel: And I'd see the frequency, like we're doing it right now. I'm doing a little slower than you, but I'm going like, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap. You can go a little faster, a little slower,
Sydney Harbosky: Yeah.
Rachel: right. But that's about the frequency and you're gonna be keeping that up and that level of pressure as you tap while you are saying these phrases.
Sydney Harbosky: Even though I feel anxious just thinking about looking at my account,
Rachel: though I feel anxious about the idea of even looking at my account,
Sydney Harbosky: I choose to deeply and [00:17:00] completely
Rachel: and completely
Sydney Harbosky: love, accept, and forgive myself.
Rachel: accept, and forgive myself. I. Alright, so I hope everyone was saying it with me and notice the sensory reaction. So right away I'm feeling this tingling on the top of my legs. As I said that, something like a, it's very subtle, but like something's there where something's like, ah, like a little relaxation. Yeah.
Sydney Harbosky: As I've said in the club, like, you know, things are moving when you're having any type of bodily responses, whether it be tingling, tearing up, yawning, burping, and I'll say it here 'cause I don't care if farting
Rachel: let's get real.
Sydney Harbosky: anything. Your body is just like, I'm moving this
Rachel: Right. And,
Sydney Harbosky: and
Rachel: saying, I am safe enough to relax. We don't get into that parasympathetic state unless we feel like we're okay. So that's also a, a, a sign that your body's like, ah, okay, I can accept new information. I can learn because I'm not running [00:18:00] from the tiger.
Sydney Harbosky: Yeah, and a side note to that, like one of the things that I add in, which I've heard and I think it deeply resonated with me, was. Saying "I choose". 'cause some of the is I, you know, deeply love and accept myself, but putting, I choose in it. 'cause sometimes when certain feelings come up and you're working through certain emotions, you don't believe it.
Sydney Harbosky: So saying you have a choice in it is very empowering, I think, to people of like, I'm choosing this right now. I may not believe it tomorrow. I may not have believed it yesterday, but right now I'm picking it. And I think that also sends a signal to your body of like, Hey, it's all good.
Rachel: like I have agency here. I mean, I love that just from like a consent based healing practice. Like I'm choosing, I don't, no one's making me do this. I choose it.
Sydney Harbosky: But Brad Yates always says, um, I take full responsibility for my wellbeing. Like, that's how he starts every tapping. I'm just saying that I'm taking full responsibility for [00:19:00] my wellbeing.
Rachel: I take.
Sydney Harbosky: And he's like, you're choosing to be here.
Rachel: Okay, let me say it. take full responsibility for my wellbeing. That's heavy.
Sydney Harbosky: Mm.
Rachel: I'm still
Sydney Harbosky: Yeah.
Rachel: everyone. I'm still tapping the side of my hand.
Sydney Harbosky: That's the cool thing, and I think that's been the most fun part, is you can do it with anything. I do it every day now, and I think that's been the most. The best part of getting my certification was that it's like, oh, I can do this with anything.
Sydney Harbosky: Anything that comes up. Like my big one lately has been around stress. Like I'm releasing this stress every day and I just go through it. I love to do it in the shower, in the bathtub, on walks, anything. So to follow up to the why we started here and how we got off track is then you would go to. The tapping points, which to describe would be the top of your head inside of your eyebrows,
Sydney Harbosky: You can do both hands. You can do one hand, [00:20:00] you know, if your hands are full, you know, whatever you need to the sides of the eye, kind of where your lids meet and come out from there. Your cheek bones. The top of your lip,
Rachel: arching your pointer finger like it's a little mustache.
Sydney Harbosky: Just one. Yeah. And then your chin, your collarbone.
Rachel: and let me describe, we are both still going. Tap, tap, tap, tap, tap this whole time. Yeah.
Sydney Harbosky: And then under the armpit,
Rachel: up either arm, any arm,
Sydney Harbosky: either arm. Mm-hmm.
Rachel: and with the other hand you're gonna
Sydney Harbosky: And then your,
Rachel: uh, kind of a little bit below your arm. Yeah.
Sydney Harbosky: mm-hmm. And then your wrists together
Rachel: Kinda crisscross your hands.
Sydney Harbosky: And then you would go through that. So to go back to the original, cause we'll go through it again.
Sydney Harbosky: I have this tight feeling in my chest.
Rachel: I have this
Sydney Harbosky: Mm-hmm.
Rachel: feeling in my chest.
Sydney Harbosky: I don't wanna look
Rachel: eyebrows. I don't wanna look.
Sydney Harbosky: side of the eye. What if it's worse than I think
Rachel: than I [00:21:00] think
Sydney Harbosky: under the eyes? I feel frozen. Just thinking about it.
Rachel: Just thinking about it.
Sydney Harbosky: Under the nose. I have so much shame around money
Rachel: shame around money.
Sydney Harbosky: under the chin. I judge myself for avoiding it.
Rachel: myself for avoiding it.
Sydney Harbosky: So I'll say it again. Collarbone, I judge myself for avoiding it.
Rachel: myself for avoiding it.
Sydney Harbosky: And just third time's the charm will go under the arm one up under the arm. I judge myself for avoiding it
Rachel: for avoiding it,
Sydney Harbosky: and then top of the head, even though I judge myself for avoiding it,
Rachel: for avoiding it.
Sydney Harbosky: I choose, I. To deeply and completely
Rachel: and completely
Sydney Harbosky: love, accept and forgive myself.
Rachel: and forgive myself.
Sydney Harbosky: I wanna feel safe with money.
Rachel: moved to the eyebrows. I want to feel safe
Sydney Harbosky: Eyebrows
Rachel: money.
Sydney Harbosky: to the sides of the eye. I'm open to more calm around money.
Rachel: more [00:22:00] calm around money.
Sydney Harbosky: And then under the eyes, and so it is,
Rachel: it is,
Sydney Harbosky: and you can go through that as many times as you want. You can stop at whatever point you want. Again, you cannot do it wrong.
Rachel: that it's so freeing. And when we do this, I do wanna describe when we, when you're running a group, it's kind of neat, like we hear Sydney, but the rest of us are on mute, so we can all just like, repeat and it doesn't like mess up. And so it's, it's really kind of a fun thing. And also it's sort of leaning into the weird, which I really like, like. It, it, it becomes, we all get really giggly and, um, really a lovely time and, and I will say it, it also. It can be so intense because it kind of goes on for a while. You're like, are we still tapping? And Sydney? You just have this amazing way of like identifying the way people are talking about their problem and then introducing such healing language. To kinda get to the other side of it and then we always take a break. You always tell us to drink [00:23:00] lots of water. And I actually wanna back up because you don't just jump into the tapping. Could you talk a little bit about the interview process? 'cause I also find that really interesting really, like taking notes. Um, I have a feeling you're really writing down like what we're saying, like the words we're really saying. 'cause then I hear it back to us later on. There's, there's some prep going on as you cater. Like in a live session. Right. Could you tell us about that?
Sydney Harbosky: So if I'm working with a one-on-one client, they are usually going to get a, um, intake form. And that intake form has a lot of questions. Now, obviously we only have an hour for a class, so I'm working at a little bit. Quicker pace. Um, so the main thing is, is that the nice thing in the Money Healing Club, everybody gets to vote on what topic they wanna tap on.
Sydney Harbosky: So I take that in. I know I have one question, and so I ask that question and I kind of open the floor of how does that feel, how does that feel in your body? What does that bring up for [00:24:00] you? And what do you want that to feel like in your body? And what do you want it to feel like when you think of this?
Sydney Harbosky: And we kind of work through that altogether. And part of it is, yes, I am writing down exactly what people are saying because we're trying to activate your nervous system. So what's important is that you identify and relate to the things I'm saying. So I'm using your words verbatim and I'm just here to facilitate it.
Sydney Harbosky: You are really, you're doing a lot of the work for me. And I'm just leading you through it. And then we're going to throw, you know, a positive spin on it at the end and make you walk away from it of like, oh, I can talk about this now. I, I don't feel icky when it comes up
Rachel: that's definitely been my experience. It's really cool 'cause it's like, oh, we're just gonna talk about the. Problems, but also it's not like toxic positivity. You're not tapping it out and being like, and everything's gonna be okay. Right? Like the, the tapping it out is more [00:25:00] like, accept what is and I am still a good person,
Rachel: it's so healing. It's such a holistic approach rather than, and here's how I'm gonna fix it, because the fixing that can come later. Um, but there is this real feeling of, for me, neutralizing that experience. Like the okay that, that fact that I need to check my account still exists. Tapping it didn't change that, the panic around it, the avoidance around it is, is dissolving because of this.
Rachel: And now I know what I can do. Which is cool. So I know, you know, I've brought you into
Sydney Harbosky: I know.
Rachel: of like do the money stuff, but I know tapping can be used for anything. I'm curious, what other things do you like using tapping for, either with yourself or other clients? Like are there other like non-money related things you like doing it with?
Sydney Harbosky: Outside of the club, I help, um, clients with anything that comes up around creativity. Um, that was kind of outside of the anger for me was also like, like I said, like I know I should be creating these things. I know [00:26:00] I should be doing it, but something stopping me. What's stopping me?
Sydney Harbosky: So then it kind of gets into, well, it's your body. Your body's stopping you. It's trying to keep you safe. So a lot of it I work with is like. Artists. Um, I've worked with, um, I'm in Nashville, so there's a lot of country singers and singer songwriters. I've worked with a singer songwriter on like, why am I not creating anymore?
Sydney Harbosky: Like, and just all of the things that come up with that. And, and I really, it's really healing to help people through those. Things when you know, and I don't think there's anything wrong with therapy. I think therapy coaches, everybody has a place in time. But when you've exhausted all of those options and it's just about being like meeting yourself where you are and like the nice thing about tapping is you don't have to know.
Sydney Harbosky: You just don't know. Like you can literally sit there and be like, I don't know why I am being like this. I have no idea.
Rachel: Right. It doesn't rely
Sydney Harbosky: And that's enough.
Rachel: which is I think
Sydney Harbosky: Yeah.
Rachel: I think, you know, [00:27:00] that's in my training as an art therapist that's also like, okay, you've been in talk therapy for years and you've reached a plateau. Let's make some art about it and, and consistently, I would find people who are like therapy lifers had never resolved a particular issue until they made art around it.
Rachel: So it's like, I do think there are these. Alternative doors to healing that, you know, I think one of the things that gets us in trouble is this verbal part of our brain that is so important and is great and brilliant, but we have so many other ways of knowing and it's so much more than just our brain.
Rachel: And it's also, hey, the right side of your brain and the, the one that thinks in intuitively in images and, and metaphors. And then we also have. The body and the body's lived experience. So like, there's just so many different ways to get to healing and um, you may find, I mean, anyone listening may find that there's an alternative path to get to where you need to go, that really can help fill in the cracks. And I think that's what you're really giving.
Sydney Harbosky: [00:28:00] Yeah, and I think to bring it back to the, which I know was not the original question, but to bring it back to like the money healing club of like, that was one of my favorite things through the work that I did with you was that you are using art and it's like, okay, so. You draw a picture of what you think money is and it's like a picture of crashing waves.
Sydney Harbosky: Well, what feelings come up behind that fear? Shame. Okay, let's, let's guilt, let's grief, let's tap on that, like what's coming up and let's just address that one emotion and be like, what's going on? And you can, like I said, you can be like, I don't know, it's just there.
Rachel: Yeah.
Sydney Harbosky: That's all I got.
Rachel: you heard it here.
Sydney Harbosky: And you no longer need.
Rachel: therapy tapping mashup. We've just decided,
Sydney Harbosky: Oh,
Rachel: it. Sydney.
Sydney Harbosky: that would be awesome. That would be awesome.
Rachel: good. Put a pin in that. We'll do that. Yes.
Sydney Harbosky: Yeah. That would be awesome.
Rachel: here's this truth. It'd be a really good way to identify where we're going, and then we tap it out and then we make a new image of the [00:29:00] other side to process it.
Rachel: We're getting all sparkly over here. Okay? So
Sydney Harbosky: yeah,
Rachel: to everyone.
Rachel: Okay? In the meantime, see how silly we get? it's so fun.
Sydney Harbosky: You nailed it.
Rachel: money healing is hilarious, guys. In the meantime though, this is already, I mean, Sydney's done two of these sessions and we, uh, she's scheduled for once a month in the club.
Rachel: It's included in a club membership. It's already become a fan favorite. . You're like the new popular girl. It's such a wonderful offering though, to like, maybe one day I'm talking about debt, and then the next day we can tap that out. vice versa, you know?
Sydney Harbosky: yeah.
Rachel: a, it's so important in the club that like, okay, yes, we wanna learn these things. We wanna see practical progress. Great. But the reason why that hasn't been working so far is you've been doing it alone, and your body's freaking out. So then we got these other ways to soften it, to teach you some safety, and then you can get into the spreadsheet or the app. In a more, uh, neutral, healthy, flexibly thinking way. It's just really fun to, to bring it in and, and also [00:30:00] there being many leaders in the group, which is like really a beautiful thing.
Sydney Harbosky: Yeah, I love it in there. Like I've told you before, like that's one of my favorite online communities and I've been in a lot of online communities and I think it's very, it's a very healing and just you are seen there and there's no judgment and it's just like everybody's in this together and we're all having the same problems, and it's awesome.
Sydney Harbosky: Should just be like, oh, thank you. And it's something about it not being your friend, your family member, your partner that's just like, Ugh.
Rachel: like
Sydney Harbosky: so much easier.
Rachel: strangers. But the people who like this vibe and come in are just, just are wonderful people. Oh, thank you. I know I'm biased, but I'm also part of a lot of other communities and, um, Money Healing Club is my favorite too. Sydney, thank you so
Sydney Harbosky: Yeah.
Rachel: what's happening is how you think about it, how you came to it, leading us through a little section.
Rachel: Uh, I hope all of our listeners can just go back and repeat that. Um, you can repeat [00:31:00] it any time. Um, how can people find you and your work outside of joining the club, which Sydney's work is included, but to do maybe an intensive deep dive, or they wanna do something that's not related to money? Um, how do they find you?
Sydney Harbosky: Um, it would be on my website, just Sydneyharbosky.com. And I am on Instagram, but I don't really do much on there, but it's just my name, @sydneyharbosky, and yeah, I'm on there. There's an email that you can schedule a free meeting with me, um, and then we can dive into what you're looking to work on.
Rachel: recommend just a couple sessions with Sydney to, uh, unblock whatever's blocking you, I will link to everything in the show notes. Sydney, thank you so much for taking us through this. This is like, uh, this is like my favorite combo. you so much.
Hey, thanks for listening to the Money Healing Club podcast. You can find resources, links, and everything from this episode in the show notes below, or [00:32:00] moneyhealingclub.com/podcast. If you enjoyed this episode, I want you to consider joining the Money Healing Club, where you can come to Sydney's monthly tapping sessions included with your membership.
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